Today, I have a great guest post from a reader, Ashley Patrick. She asked if she could share her story with my audience, and I, of course, had to say yes! This is her personal story about how her 401k loan cost her a ton of money and why you shouldn’t take be borrowing from your 401k.
You’ve been thinking about getting a 401k loan.
Everyone says it’s a great loan because you are paying yourself back!
It sounds like a great low risk loan at a great interest rate for an unsecured loan.
But you know the saying “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is”.
So you’re thinking, what’s the catch?
I take out a loan without having to do a withdrawal and I pay myself back. I’m paying myself back at a low interest rate right, so what’s wrong with that?
Well, I’m about to tell you how our 401k loan cost us $1,000,000 dollars.
You see, there are a lot of reasons to not take out a 401k loan and they all happened to ME!
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How My 401k Loan Cost Me $1,000,000
Let me start at the beginning….
My husband and I bought our dream house when we were just 28 & 29 years old. This was our second house and honestly, more house than we really should have bought. But you know, it had a huge 40×60 shop and we loved the house and property. So there we were buying a $450,000 house with a 18 month old.
This house was gorgeous on 10 acres of woods with floor to ceiling windows throughout the entire house.
So there we were with a $2200 a month house payment, an 18 month old in daycare, and both of us working full-time. Within 2 months of us buying this house we found out I was pregnant again! We had been trying for sometime so it wasn’t a surprise but there was a major issue with our new dream home.
The layout didn’t work for a family of 3. It was a small 2 bedroom with an in-law suite that didn’t connect to the main house.
There was a solution though. We could enclose a portion of the covered patio to include another bedroom and play area and connect the two living spaces.
The problem was this was going to cost $25,000. We certainly didn’t have that much in savings and the mortgage was already as high as it could go.
So what were we to do? We have numerous people that were “financially savvy” tell my husband that we should do a 401k loan. We would be paying ourselves back so, we weren’t “really borrowing” any money. It was our money and are just using it now and will pay it back later.
Our first issue with the loan
This seemed like a perfect solution to our problem. So we took out a $25,000 401k loan in the summer of 2013. I checked the 401k account shortly after the loan and realized they took the money out of the 401k. I was very upset about this and thought there must have been some mistake.
Come to find out, they actually take the money out of your 401k. So, it’s not earning any compound interest. I thought that the 401k was just the collateral. I didn’t realize they actually take the money out of it.
So, nothing else seemed like a good option so we just kept the loan. Construction was finished just in time for the arrival of our 2nd child. The layout is much better and much more functional for our family.
Everything seemed fine and the payments came out automatically from my husband’s paycheck.
Then issue #2 with 401k loans
Then came the second issue with the 401k loan…..
In January 2014, my husband was laid off from his job. So there we were with a newborn and a 2 yr old in an expensive house and my husband, the breadwinner, lost his job of 7 years. You know the one he never thought he would lose, so why not buy the expensive house? Ya, that one, gone.
I cried about it but figured out how long our savings and severance package would last and knew we would be okay for several months.
Well, then we get a letter stating we have 60 days to payback the 401k loan, which at this point was over $20,000. We had made payments for less than a year out of the 5 year loan.
My husband didn’t have job yet and we didn’t have that much in savings. I certainly wasn’t going to use what was in savings to pay that loan either. I may have needed that to feed my children in a few months.
So, we ignored it because we couldn’t get another loan to pay it at this point.
Luckily, I married up and everyone loves my husband. So, he was able to find another job rather quickly.
We were thankful he had another job and didn’t think about the 401k loan again.
Then came issue #3
That was until a year later in January of 2015. Here came issue number three with 401k loans.
We got a nice tax form in the mail from his 401k provider. Since we didn’t/couldn’t pay back the loan in the 60 days, the balance counted as income. You know, since it actually came out of the 401k.
Then I did our taxes and found out we owed several thousand dollars to the IRS. We went from getting a couple thousand back to owing around $6500. So it cost us around $10,000 just in taxes. It even bumped us up a tax bracket and cost us more for taxes on our actual income as well.
I ended up putting what we owed on a 0% for 18 months credit card and chalked it up to a big lesson learned. I will never take out a 401k loan again.
The silver lining
In reality, my husband losing his job has been a major blessing in our lives. He is much happier at his new job. This also started my journey to financial coaching.
You see, when I put the taxes on the credit card, I didn’t have a plan to pay that off either. When I started getting the bills for it, I realized I had no idea how we would pay it off before interest accrued.
That led me to find Dave Ramsey. Not only did we have it paid off in a couple months, but we paid off all of our $45,000 debt (except the mortgage) in 17 months!
The true cost of 401k loans
Just recently I did the math and realized what our 401k loan really cost us.
It cost us $25,000 from our 401k and roughly about $10,000 in taxes. So that’s already $35,000 from the initial loan.
We were really young for that $25,000 to earn compound interest. If we had left it where it should have been, we would have had a lot more money come retirement age.
The general rule of thumb for compound interest is that the amount invested will double every 7 years given a 10% rate of return. And yes, you can earn an average of 10% rate of return after fees.
We were 28 and 29 years old when we took that loan out. If we say we would retire or start withdrawing between 65-70 years old, then that $25,000 cost us around $1 million dollars at retirement age.
Now yes, I could try to make up for the difference and try to put more in retirement but I’ve already lost a lot of time and compound interest. Even if we had $25,000 to put in retirement today to make up for it, I’ve already missed a doubling.
But that won’t happen to me, so why shouldn’t I take out a 401k loan?
Life changes and now I am not working full-time and have an extra kid. So, thinking that you will pay it back later doesn’t always happen as fast as you think it will.
Something always comes up and is more important at that time. So learn from my mistakes and don’t take out a 401k loan.
Actually, start saving as much as you can as young as you can.
You may even be thinking that you aren’t quitting your job and will pay it all back, so no big deal, right? Actually you are still losing a ton of compound interest even if you pay the entire thing back.
The typical loan duration is 5 years. That’s almost a doubling of interest by the time it’s paid back in full. So, it may not be as dramatic as my example but you are still taking a major loss at retirement age.
The thing is, you have to figure in the compound interest. You can’t only look at the interest rate you are paying. You are losing interest you could be gaining at a much much higher rate than what you are paying on the loan.
Lessons Learned from my 401k loan
Some lessons I learned from taking out this 401k are:
- Don’t miss out on compound interest
- It’s not a loan, it’s a withdrawal
- If you want to change jobs or lose your job, it has to be paid back in 60-90 days depending on your employer
- If you can’t or don’t pay it back, it counts as income on your taxes
So if you are considering a 401k loan, find another way to pay for what you need. Cash is always best. If you can’t pay cash right now, wait and save as much as you can. This will at least limit the amount of debt you take on.
Determine if what you want is a need or a want. If it’s a want, then wait. A 401k loan should be used as an absolute need and last resort.
It keeps you tied to a job for the duration of the loan which is usually 5 years. This could limit your opportunities and put you in an even bigger hardship if you lose your job.
I hope you will learn from my mistakes and make an informed decision about these types of loans. Don’t be like me and make an ill-informed decision.
Ashley Patrick is a Ramsey Solutions Financial Master Coach and owner of Budgets Made Easy. She helps people budget and save money so they can pay off their debt.
What do you think of 401k loans? Have you ever taken one out?
I never took out a loan a day in my life directly other than using credit cards.
Emenike Emmanuel says
Great lesson learnt.
I love what you said that paying with cash is always better. I do my best to ensure I don’t take loan at all, especially at the stage my business is right now.
What I need most is not loan but more paying customers.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Ashley Patrick says
Yes It is so important for your business to not take out loans for it. I have been reading Profit First and it is a great book on how to set up your business to be profitable from the beginning.
Aja McClanahan says
Oh dear. We’ve done that several times and thankfully it worked out. But you are right about it. It’s super risky and can eat into your retirement gains. I would say this is a last, last, last resort. Thanks for sharing! Super inspiring!
Ashley Patrick says
Thanks! I never realized the issues with them until it all happened to me!
Thanks for sharing your story Ashley! Many people can learn from your mistake!
Ashley Patrick says
I hope I can deter people from taking them out by sharing!
Ashley, great article. And I ‘m sorry that you you had to go through all of that headache and expenses.
I was actually going to take out 15k from my Roth IRA as part of my down payment on a house. But my loan officer advised me not to do that just for the reasons you explained above: not earning compound interest, penalty if not paid on time, etc…
He advised me to save more money and apply for an FHA loan where the down payment would be much lower.
Ashley Patrick says
Thank you! I’m glad you didn’t fall into the trap we did.
Debbie Sassen says
Thanks so much for sharing your story, Ashley. I’m sorry this happened to you – but what a great lessoned learned. It’s so easy to take a loan and think “oh no problem, we can just pay that off in 5 years.” But when you start adding all the additional costs, and the missing out on compound interest, which is huge(!), that little loan turns into a giant drain on your wealth.
Thank you for sharing this.
A lot of people I know are cavalier about 401k loans and have the same mentality of “I will just owe myself” but you give a great example of what can go wrong. Being laid off or changing jobs will trigger a due date for you pay it back in a hurry and if not there are penalties, etc.
you are right, this is how we fell into the trap as well. People kept saying “it’s your money” and “you’re paying yourself back”. I wish we would have done more research about it instead of listening to people we thought were good with money.
Did you ever see the video by Mark Cuban on Bloomberg Television discussing his feelings about taking out loans to start a business? I’m not sure if his opinion is right or not. But if you do a Google or YouTube search for “Mark Cuban loans to start a business,” you should see the video I’m talking about in YouTube or Google search results.
In my personal opinion, I would work a regular job to save money instead of a loan. Sure, it would be hard dealing with the financial struggles, but it’ll be worth it in the end as long as you strive daily to achieve your entrepreneurial goals vs. taking out a loan to start a business or to use the loan to pay down debt. 🙂
Ashley Patrick says
I have not, I will have to go look for it. I have not taken out any business loans either and I am so happy I haven’t. It’s hard enough building a new business without the stress of debt!
Hmmm. I’ve taken out two loans against my 401k and not once did they “take the money out of my 401k”, not sure why this happened to you and didn’t happen to me but it worked out well for me and was the best option available..
Have you checked your 401k balance once you have taken out the loans? It comes out of your balance. It just doesn’t count as a withdrawal for taxes unless you can pay it back.
S. Lou says
Thanks for sharing your story. typically, we can’t understand why certain things happen; but, for whatever the reason, you needed to travel that road to get where you are today. I truly believe there is a lesson in all of our challenges/hardships/obstacles.
Although this was a very expensive lesson to learn, your story may help someone else who was considering a 401k loan.
That is so true. It really has been a blessing given the road it out is on now.
Thanks, Ashley, for sharing your story. I was not aware of the true cost of borrowing from a 401k. I’m glad you got this message out there.
I was on the committee for the 401k plan at our company with hundreds of participants. In addition to the disadvantages you mentioned and the interest you missed there are other problems. In our plan you can’t contribute anything until the loan is paid in full so our employees could not get the free employee match or the tax savings that come from participating. Plus they usually borrowed again as soon as the first loan was paid off. Most of them ended up with small balances when they retired, I never took a loan and retired early with a seven figure balance in my 401k.
The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 has now changed the due date of a 401k loan to the due date of your federal tax return including extensions. So a distribution on June 1st 2019 would be due October 15th 2020 if you changed jobs in 2019 and filed for an automatic 6 month extension.
I heard that some 401(k) plans do not allow you to receive a match when their is an outstanding loan even compounding the problem more!
I am considering taking a 401k loan. The idea of it does give me heart palpitations. But right now I am renting with my mom and I have no equity and interest rates are at all time low. So I am like 7k loan? I might be able to pay back two years? Lowest interest rates on house.
The way I see for me a chance to get some equity. Since I have none. If I already owned a house I wouldn’t do it though.
However part of it is my mom will pay some rent so in equity I am getting money back so my scenario I think is a little different
I’m sorry but talk about clickbait. All I thought when I read this, is the person clearly doesnt know how life works. Hey I’ll take out 25k and just expect it’s a low rate and theres no penalty. Really? Oh no we didnt pay back 20,000$?! This is CLEARLY someone elses fault not mine. Sense the sarcasm?
I came here off pinterest expecting a good article. Instead I read about an entitled woman(who had to brag how good she married) who doesnt know how life works. Of course a 401k loan is a withdrawal. Of course you need to pay it back. This is all general knowledge from a quick Google search. Or I dont know, life experience? Having to work for your own stuff?
Also I’m 27.
But who in their right mind takes out 25k and doesnt Google the consequences? Or ask around?
This should be removed from pinterest because it’s clearly misleading.
You also think putting 20k on a credit cards is better? Wow.
One woman even commented how she only uses credit cards. Ouch.
I didnt explore this website anymore because this was cringe worthy enough.
Michelle Schroeder-Gardner says
This is a guest post where a reader shared their story. I think talking about money openly, like this, can help more people.
Sabrina i agree with you. The writer said it herself m. She was ILLinformed!! She’s upset because she didn’t do her homework. There’s so many things wrong with the writer I’m not even going to bother explaining myself.